Comments on: Vélib’ on the Skids http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/ Bicycles in the urban environment. A magazine about urban cycling. Fri, 25 May 2012 03:20:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jim C. http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12070 Jim C. Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:27:18 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12070 Name calling seems present on all websites. I'm not surprised its here too. Ain't no wonder people tend to quite posting because of that kind of behavior. Name calling seems present on all websites. I’m not surprised its here too. Ain’t no wonder people tend to quite posting because of that kind of behavior.

]]> By: NY_cyclist http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12068 NY_cyclist Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:20:29 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12068 The rich steal 90% of the world's resources. The poor vandalize whatever is left. Everyone thinks he's done the right thing. We, humans, are a very sad bunch, aren't we? The rich steal 90% of the world’s resources. The poor vandalize whatever is left. Everyone thinks he’s done the right thing. We, humans, are a very sad bunch, aren’t we?

]]> By: Outdoor Outlet Apparel http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12056 Outdoor Outlet Apparel Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:58:25 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12056 SAD What folks do. SAD What folks do.

]]> By: Renaissance Bicycles » Blog Archive » The Revolution Will Not Be Televised http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12032 Renaissance Bicycles » Blog Archive » The Revolution Will Not Be Televised Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:04:38 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12032 [...] Velo — Vélib’ on the Skids — [...] [...] Velo — Vélib’ on the Skids — [...]

]]> By: Terry http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12021 Terry Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:29:02 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12021 No, I know people who rent homes of apartments and none of them has a multitude ("used by many") of people using the house--just the they themselves. In any case, if that is the way you wish to twist it, then the way I used the word "socialism" in this case would be more like renting a car. And I, for one, would not buy a used rental vehicle because of the fact that even though people pay to use it, they do not treat such vehicles as they would their own that they paid for out of their own pocket. In fact, many people abuse such vehicles. In other words, “It ain’t mine, and I ain’t paying for it, so I don’t care too much what happens to it.” This is typical of "shared" things--bikes, cars or whatever. You may be right that I should have used a different word because "socialism" in this case as most would assume the definition to be is different than how I used it. In any case, I have also disagreed with people on this website. Usually, I then just state my opinion or don't reply at all. Never have I called anyone an "ass" just because I disagreed with them or even if I really did think they were an ass. Some, like you, seem to believe that being civil is optional when on a website where you do not meet people face to face. This is where I disagree with you. But I feel no need to call you an "ass". You may be right; I may be right. Why exactly do you believe that name-calling is going to lead to a further civilized discussion of any subject? Why does twisting what I said ("renting is socialism") make you think that you have proven anything? Why are you more interested in wining some kind of verbal war than commenting on the original subject? Next time you disagree with someone, why not show some class like x.10 did. He (she?) totally disagreed with me, yet not only acted civil about it, but also gave some interesting information. I would enjoy discussing things with x.10. I don't believe I know everything, and I enjoy speaking with people who think different than I do. But because of the way you behave, I would think discussing things with you would not be enjoyable at all. So you, from now on, I will just ignore. No, I know people who rent homes of apartments and none of them has a multitude (“used by many”) of people using the house–just the they themselves. In any case, if that is the way you wish to twist it, then the way I used the word “socialism” in this case would be more like renting a car. And I, for one, would not buy a used rental vehicle because of the fact that even though people pay to use it, they do not treat such vehicles as they would their own that they paid for out of their own pocket. In fact, many people abuse such vehicles. In other words, “It ain’t mine, and I ain’t paying for it, so I don’t care too much what happens to it.” This is typical of “shared” things–bikes, cars or whatever.

You may be right that I should have used a different word because “socialism” in this case as most would assume the definition to be is different than how I used it.

In any case, I have also disagreed with people on this website. Usually, I then just state my opinion or don’t reply at all. Never have I called anyone an “ass” just because I disagreed with them or even if I really did think they were an ass. Some, like you, seem to believe that being civil is optional when on a website where you do not meet people face to face. This is where I disagree with you. But I feel no need to call you an “ass”.

You may be right; I may be right. Why exactly do you believe that name-calling is going to lead to a further civilized discussion of any subject? Why does twisting what I said (“renting is socialism”) make you think that you have proven anything? Why are you more interested in wining some kind of verbal war than commenting on the original subject?

Next time you disagree with someone, why not show some class like x.10 did. He (she?) totally disagreed with me, yet not only acted civil about it, but also gave some interesting information. I would enjoy discussing things with x.10. I don’t believe I know everything, and I enjoy speaking with people who think different than I do. But because of the way you behave, I would think discussing things with you would not be enjoyable at all. So you, from now on, I will just ignore.

]]> By: Mad Jack McMad http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12019 Mad Jack McMad Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:04:44 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12019 So by your definition, renting is Socialism. So by your definition, renting is Socialism.

]]> By: Terry http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12018 Terry Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:52:38 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12018 Socialism not in the political sense, but in the sense that people don't own the bikes themselves and the bikes are used by many--not just the owner, so the users are not exactly real concerned with what happens to the bikes. In other words, "It ain't mine, and I ain't paying for it, so I don't care too much what happens to it." Thanks x.10 for being able to disagree with me without calling names. Not everyone has that kind of class. Socialism not in the political sense, but in the sense that people don’t own the bikes themselves and the bikes are used by many–not just the owner, so the users are not exactly real concerned with what happens to the bikes. In other words, “It ain’t mine, and I ain’t paying for it, so I don’t care too much what happens to it.”
Thanks x.10 for being able to disagree with me without calling names. Not everyone has that kind of class.

]]> By: x.10 http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12016 x.10 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:10:05 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12016 The nytimes corrected the price to $1,050, but I think they are still wrong. As far as I know a Vélib' cost around $500 or less. @ Terry: This Vélib' system has nothing to do with socialism, it's it pure capitalism. In exhange of the Vélib (which is not free for users) JC Decaux has gained the full market of advertising surfaces (bus stops, posters...) in the city of Paris. It is very lucrative for JC Decaux. The nytimes corrected the price to $1,050, but I think they are still wrong. As far as I know a Vélib’ cost around $500 or less.

@ Terry: This Vélib’ system has nothing to do with socialism, it’s it pure capitalism. In exhange of the Vélib (which is not free for users) JC Decaux has gained the full market of advertising surfaces (bus stops, posters…) in the city of Paris. It is very lucrative for JC Decaux.

]]> By: Treberden from Paris http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12013 Treberden from Paris Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:10:45 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12013 Hello, I don't know where the jorunaliste gets the 3,5000$ for a velib bike. It's made in gungary by people paid under the minimum wage over there... Hello,

I don’t know where the jorunaliste gets the 3,5000$ for a velib bike.
It’s made in gungary by people paid under the minimum wage over there…

]]> By: Tony Bullard http://urbanvelo.org/velib%e2%80%99-on-the-skids/comment-page-1/#comment-12009 Tony Bullard Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:07:40 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12074#comment-12009 Seems to me the main issue arises from 3500 dollar bikes up for public use. Seems to me the main issue arises from 3500 dollar bikes up for public use.

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