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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-36173</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Licensing would be great.  I would have more tolerance for the idiots that ride in the street in the absence of a bike lane if I could see a license plate and report them.  The licensing wouldn&#039;t generate much revenue, but the funding from writing tickets to law-breakers would.  I can&#039;t even keep count of how many bicyclists I&#039;ve seen run red lights, pass on the right, and show blatant disregard for the rules of the road, all while bitching and moaning that they should be treated just like any other car.  You want equality?  Be ready for it.  Don&#039;t want danger?  Stay on the sidewalk.  Yeah, the law NOW says to ride in the street, but at least one comment on here said that if licensing became law, that person would disregard it.  And almost all cyclists disregard the laws of the road.  So disregard the important one:  GET OFF THE STREET!  Face it; riding a bike isn&#039;t practical for everyone.  The problem isn&#039;t that we need less cars, we just need a place for CARS and a completely separate place for BIKES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Licensing would be great.  I would have more tolerance for the idiots that ride in the street in the absence of a bike lane if I could see a license plate and report them.  The licensing wouldn&#8217;t generate much revenue, but the funding from writing tickets to law-breakers would.  I can&#8217;t even keep count of how many bicyclists I&#8217;ve seen run red lights, pass on the right, and show blatant disregard for the rules of the road, all while bitching and moaning that they should be treated just like any other car.  You want equality?  Be ready for it.  Don&#8217;t want danger?  Stay on the sidewalk.  Yeah, the law NOW says to ride in the street, but at least one comment on here said that if licensing became law, that person would disregard it.  And almost all cyclists disregard the laws of the road.  So disregard the important one:  GET OFF THE STREET!  Face it; riding a bike isn&#8217;t practical for everyone.  The problem isn&#8217;t that we need less cars, we just need a place for CARS and a completely separate place for BIKES.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-28418</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like all the posts so far but I think the issue of licensing a bicycle is not so much about generating tax revenue because, as many of you have mentioned, that is already covered with our property taxes. The issue, as I see it, is the ease of selling and buying stolen bicycles. If we are truly going to license a bike then why don&#039;t we get a title to the bike and as a result if I want to sell the bike I have to provide a title. I just inherited a car that was valued at half the price of my bike and I had to sign 4 documents in front of a notary and get them filed with the state. Ont the other had if someone stole my bike and sold it for whatever dishonest reason it is about as tough as steeling apples from my neighbors tree and selling them at the local farmers market. We need to license our bikes to get a title to make it difficult to sell our bikes that can now cost upwards of $15,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like all the posts so far but I think the issue of licensing a bicycle is not so much about generating tax revenue because, as many of you have mentioned, that is already covered with our property taxes. The issue, as I see it, is the ease of selling and buying stolen bicycles. If we are truly going to license a bike then why don&#8217;t we get a title to the bike and as a result if I want to sell the bike I have to provide a title. I just inherited a car that was valued at half the price of my bike and I had to sign 4 documents in front of a notary and get them filed with the state. Ont the other had if someone stole my bike and sold it for whatever dishonest reason it is about as tough as steeling apples from my neighbors tree and selling them at the local farmers market. We need to license our bikes to get a title to make it difficult to sell our bikes that can now cost upwards of $15,000.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-9443</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve actually addressed the old &quot;gas taxes pay for the roads&quot; argument before. That is only applicable if you confine your argument to the interstate highway system. Local city roads are paid for by property taxes, which home owner or renter, driver or not, we are all paying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve actually addressed the old &#8220;gas taxes pay for the roads&#8221; argument before. That is only applicable if you confine your argument to the interstate highway system. Local city roads are paid for by property taxes, which home owner or renter, driver or not, we are all paying.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-9442</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. &quot;Bikes don&#039;t cause congestion&quot; - Myth, bikes cause a lot of congestion here in Minneapolis.  On a two lane road with a bike path right next to it we have bikers who insist that the roads belong to them, insist on being treated like a car, but do not consider stopping at a stop sign.

2. Yes, you should have to pay the registration fee if you are just visiting.  You know what, it would be their law and you, as a law abiding citizen, should pay.  If you don&#039;t want to pay it, then don&#039;t go to seattle, you have that choice.  There are several fees, taxes that if I could choose to pay or not then I would do that too.

3. Stop complaining.  I enjoy biking and love that we have bike paths here in minnesota, but I also like taking the roads and sidewalks to get places faster.  But it just pisses me off when bicylcists complain about cars getting their way on the roads.  &quot;you are not paying for the roads&quot;, cars are.  Gas tax and registration fees pay for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. &#8220;Bikes don&#8217;t cause congestion&#8221; &#8211; Myth, bikes cause a lot of congestion here in Minneapolis.  On a two lane road with a bike path right next to it we have bikers who insist that the roads belong to them, insist on being treated like a car, but do not consider stopping at a stop sign.</p>
<p>2. Yes, you should have to pay the registration fee if you are just visiting.  You know what, it would be their law and you, as a law abiding citizen, should pay.  If you don&#8217;t want to pay it, then don&#8217;t go to seattle, you have that choice.  There are several fees, taxes that if I could choose to pay or not then I would do that too.</p>
<p>3. Stop complaining.  I enjoy biking and love that we have bike paths here in minnesota, but I also like taking the roads and sidewalks to get places faster.  But it just pisses me off when bicylcists complain about cars getting their way on the roads.  &#8220;you are not paying for the roads&#8221;, cars are.  Gas tax and registration fees pay for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-8574</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 01:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;d like to know, and what no one seems to have mentioned about this is, if Seattle did make it mandatory for bikes to be licensed, what about non-resident visitors???

I now live in eastern Washington, after moving here from the Seattle area. I don&#039;t own a car; I use a bike for transportation. I went back to Seattle with a friend who let me bring my bike on her car a couple years ago. Now I may be doing it again, just to visit.

I know it&#039;s not the law there yet, but suppose it were. My town, where I live, doesn&#039;t require bike licenses. But Seattle does. So if I brought my bike from home to Seattle, what then? Would I (or any other out-of-town visitor) get in trouble? How would this issue be resolved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;d like to know, and what no one seems to have mentioned about this is, if Seattle did make it mandatory for bikes to be licensed, what about non-resident visitors???</p>
<p>I now live in eastern Washington, after moving here from the Seattle area. I don&#8217;t own a car; I use a bike for transportation. I went back to Seattle with a friend who let me bring my bike on her car a couple years ago. Now I may be doing it again, just to visit.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s not the law there yet, but suppose it were. My town, where I live, doesn&#8217;t require bike licenses. But Seattle does. So if I brought my bike from home to Seattle, what then? Would I (or any other out-of-town visitor) get in trouble? How would this issue be resolved?</p>
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		<title>By: waqas hussain</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-7946</link>
		<dc:creator>waqas hussain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wanna make a bicycle licence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wanna make a bicycle licence</p>
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		<title>By: Bike licenses? It wouldn&#8217;t work as well - Barry's Blog : Gazette.com</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-3360</link>
		<dc:creator>Bike licenses? It wouldn&#8217;t work as well - Barry's Blog : Gazette.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seattle there has been a debate over bicycle licensing, http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/a plan to pay for a $240 million in bikeway infrastructure. It&#8217;s fair to say Seattle has a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Seattle there has been a debate over bicycle licensing, <a href="http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/a" rel="nofollow">http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/a</a> plan to pay for a $240 million in bikeway infrastructure. It&#8217;s fair to say Seattle has a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-3135</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it comical that this is even an issue.  Of all of the great cycling metropolisis in the world, Copenhagen, Amsterdam, Portland, OR (runner-up to Davis, CA in bike friendliness) how many place registration/liecence fees on cyclists?  None of them, because cycling is not an economic burden on a city like automobiles.  Minimal space is needed ofr storage/parking.  A vast majority of riders do their business locally, improving/sustaining the local businessman, not just because it is convienient, but because its quicker, easier &amp; feeds the community that they care for.  

As others have already noted, the cost benefits that a state gets from having happier &amp; healthier citizens, with less sick days, causing less pot-holes &amp; taking-up less space.

If Seattle or the state at large is in need of an increased tax base the legislature should re-inact the the PROGRESSIVE tax on car registration it had when I first moved here in 1999, before Mr. Iman.  

When will the local government look to our southern neighbor, Oregon, for trasportation guidance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it comical that this is even an issue.  Of all of the great cycling metropolisis in the world, Copenhagen, Amsterdam, Portland, OR (runner-up to Davis, CA in bike friendliness) how many place registration/liecence fees on cyclists?  None of them, because cycling is not an economic burden on a city like automobiles.  Minimal space is needed ofr storage/parking.  A vast majority of riders do their business locally, improving/sustaining the local businessman, not just because it is convienient, but because its quicker, easier &amp; feeds the community that they care for.  </p>
<p>As others have already noted, the cost benefits that a state gets from having happier &amp; healthier citizens, with less sick days, causing less pot-holes &amp; taking-up less space.</p>
<p>If Seattle or the state at large is in need of an increased tax base the legislature should re-inact the the PROGRESSIVE tax on car registration it had when I first moved here in 1999, before Mr. Iman.  </p>
<p>When will the local government look to our southern neighbor, Oregon, for trasportation guidance?</p>
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		<title>By: *</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-1509</link>
		<dc:creator>*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Madison system was only set up to create a job for a friend of a city counsel member or something wack like that.  It is a joke, no one registers, and i have never heard of anyone getting in trouble for not registering.  the biggest argument i have heard for the system is in case a bicycle is stolen.  however, the police don&#039;t cross reference, and the recovered bicycles sit at the police station while owners go w/out their bikes.  great system!  glad to pay $10 for that.  or not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Madison system was only set up to create a job for a friend of a city counsel member or something wack like that.  It is a joke, no one registers, and i have never heard of anyone getting in trouble for not registering.  the biggest argument i have heard for the system is in case a bicycle is stolen.  however, the police don&#8217;t cross reference, and the recovered bicycles sit at the police station while owners go w/out their bikes.  great system!  glad to pay $10 for that.  or not!</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/seattle-debates-bicycle-license/comment-page-1/#comment-1260</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly idea. When more people get onto bikes in any city there will be massive amounts of money to be saved on road maintenence. Fewer cars, less wear and tear. 

Those savings are far more considerable than any licencing fee.

Once in a while bike licences are proposed in Copenhagen. Unfortunately nobody has any idea of how to licence 500,000 daily cyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly idea. When more people get onto bikes in any city there will be massive amounts of money to be saved on road maintenence. Fewer cars, less wear and tear. </p>
<p>Those savings are far more considerable than any licencing fee.</p>
<p>Once in a while bike licences are proposed in Copenhagen. Unfortunately nobody has any idea of how to licence 500,000 daily cyclists.</p>
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