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		<title>By: pimpbot</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/niterider-lumina-650-review/comment-page-1/#comment-126212</link>
		<dc:creator>pimpbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 01:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear what you are saying about Lumen inflation. Manufacturers have been fudging the numbers for years. 

However....

That said, remember we&#039;ve all been happy with 200 Lumen halogen lights for years. Those lights cost fout times what these lights cost, weighed five times as much, took up a water bottle cage on the frame, had cables running all over the place going &#039;ting ting ting!&#039; against the frame and had finicky expensive batteries that would only last two to three years of real world use. 

It&#039;s super hard to whine about the performance of modern LED lights. No cords, sub 200 gram running weight, still way brighter than those old dual beam halogen lights, and in theory, the &#039;bulbs&#039; never die. 

Plus, cigarette lighter USB car chargers are like $5. IIRC, the cig lighter charger for my NiteRider Digital Pro 12e was like $65. 

I have a MiNewt 2x Dual 700 (in deep storage ATM) and I gotta say, the thing is WAY bright. I run it on low or medium most of the time, along with a Magicshine on my helmet (on low most of the time). 

Anyway, these Lumina 650 things are so cheap, I might just buy two of them because getting my other lights from storage is such a monster PITA. I have to empty my small shipping container storage Pod to get to them. Heck, I&#039;ll just sell them when I get them back out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear what you are saying about Lumen inflation. Manufacturers have been fudging the numbers for years. </p>
<p>However&#8230;.</p>
<p>That said, remember we&#8217;ve all been happy with 200 Lumen halogen lights for years. Those lights cost fout times what these lights cost, weighed five times as much, took up a water bottle cage on the frame, had cables running all over the place going &#8216;ting ting ting!&#8217; against the frame and had finicky expensive batteries that would only last two to three years of real world use. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s super hard to whine about the performance of modern LED lights. No cords, sub 200 gram running weight, still way brighter than those old dual beam halogen lights, and in theory, the &#8216;bulbs&#8217; never die. </p>
<p>Plus, cigarette lighter USB car chargers are like $5. IIRC, the cig lighter charger for my NiteRider Digital Pro 12e was like $65. </p>
<p>I have a MiNewt 2x Dual 700 (in deep storage ATM) and I gotta say, the thing is WAY bright. I run it on low or medium most of the time, along with a Magicshine on my helmet (on low most of the time). </p>
<p>Anyway, these Lumina 650 things are so cheap, I might just buy two of them because getting my other lights from storage is such a monster PITA. I have to empty my small shipping container storage Pod to get to them. Heck, I&#8217;ll just sell them when I get them back out.</p>
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		<title>By: Abney</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/niterider-lumina-650-review/comment-page-1/#comment-125970</link>
		<dc:creator>Abney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 01:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just used the 650 as a Helmet light(s) in the Baja 1000, actually had 3 of them on there.  We got 13th Overall Motorcycle on bike number 101x a KTM.  My section was 5.5 hours total, all at night, so I used 2 for the first half on normal power and when they went down to lower power near the last hour of my section (read up on them you&#039;ll understand), I clicked the third one on full power.  They worked great, and absolutely no issues!  For me, no extra battery, small compact, light weight, LED and LI-ION and price were all important features.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just used the 650 as a Helmet light(s) in the Baja 1000, actually had 3 of them on there.  We got 13th Overall Motorcycle on bike number 101x a KTM.  My section was 5.5 hours total, all at night, so I used 2 for the first half on normal power and when they went down to lower power near the last hour of my section (read up on them you&#8217;ll understand), I clicked the third one on full power.  They worked great, and absolutely no issues!  For me, no extra battery, small compact, light weight, LED and LI-ION and price were all important features.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Sweetback</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/niterider-lumina-650-review/comment-page-1/#comment-121834</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Sweetback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 04:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few weeks with the Lumina 650 and I&#039;ve concluded that this thing is amazing. Way more light than necessary for trail riding and in city riding, with street lights.... it&#039;s hilarious.

This replaces the 10 watt halogen Niterider that I&#039;ve nursed along for years. SOOOOOOO much better.

It mounts securely to 31.8 bars with ZERO problems. (It has shims for smaller bars, but you&#039;re a cheap bitch if you&#039;re still using anything else.)

It comes with a helmet mount, but I haven&#039;t used that.

Charges in 3-5 hours with the included USB plug into a computer monitor. If you need it charged faster, plug it into the wall outlet to USB charger that every phone for the past 10 years has come with. If you don&#039;t have one of those, ya, you&#039;re an even bigger bitch.

The really funny setting is on blinking on city streets. Cars going the other way think you&#039;re some sort of emergency vehicle. People walking towards you think you are an asshole. People walking away from you think a UFO is about to land.

Better to be an asshole and be seen than to not be seen and get run the fuck over at 1am.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks with the Lumina 650 and I&#8217;ve concluded that this thing is amazing. Way more light than necessary for trail riding and in city riding, with street lights&#8230;. it&#8217;s hilarious.</p>
<p>This replaces the 10 watt halogen Niterider that I&#8217;ve nursed along for years. SOOOOOOO much better.</p>
<p>It mounts securely to 31.8 bars with ZERO problems. (It has shims for smaller bars, but you&#8217;re a cheap bitch if you&#8217;re still using anything else.)</p>
<p>It comes with a helmet mount, but I haven&#8217;t used that.</p>
<p>Charges in 3-5 hours with the included USB plug into a computer monitor. If you need it charged faster, plug it into the wall outlet to USB charger that every phone for the past 10 years has come with. If you don&#8217;t have one of those, ya, you&#8217;re an even bigger bitch.</p>
<p>The really funny setting is on blinking on city streets. Cars going the other way think you&#8217;re some sort of emergency vehicle. People walking towards you think you are an asshole. People walking away from you think a UFO is about to land.</p>
<p>Better to be an asshole and be seen than to not be seen and get run the fuck over at 1am.</p>
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		<title>By: Pak</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/niterider-lumina-650-review/comment-page-1/#comment-117695</link>
		<dc:creator>Pak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am happy with my MiNewt 600 except one thing - It generates enough emf that interferes with my wireless computer. NiteRider is fully aware of it and they told me they couldn&#039;t do anything about it. I can either use a wired computer or go digital wireless. I wonder if the new Lumina improves on that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am happy with my MiNewt 600 except one thing &#8211; It generates enough emf that interferes with my wireless computer. NiteRider is fully aware of it and they told me they couldn&#8217;t do anything about it. I can either use a wired computer or go digital wireless. I wonder if the new Lumina improves on that.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;These days, I like to support companies that don’t merely offload products from cargo ships and resell them. Which is what Niterider does.&quot; 

I was just there.  NiteRider does not do that with their rechargeable lights.  Accept for the Mako.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These days, I like to support companies that don’t merely offload products from cargo ships and resell them. Which is what Niterider does.&#8221; </p>
<p>I was just there.  NiteRider does not do that with their rechargeable lights.  Accept for the Mako.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/niterider-lumina-650-review/comment-page-1/#comment-111420</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been a fan of the original minewt line since the 250 first cam out.  I now have two 250s and a 600.  My personal experience with the original handlebar and helmet mounts have been great.  I commute to work on some of the roughest roads using several bikes and never once have any of the lights come loose or popped. If the light beeam slides down, it means you have not snapped the mount on tight enough. Just give it another good hard squeeze.  I love the simplicitiy in the design.  

Glad to hear the new light is compatible with the old mount. Now I just wish I had an excuse to ge me a lumina 650. :-(

My only request for improvement is a better battery life indicator.  When I&#039;m still 10 miles from home and the switch turns red, I switch to low power and prey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a fan of the original minewt line since the 250 first cam out.  I now have two 250s and a 600.  My personal experience with the original handlebar and helmet mounts have been great.  I commute to work on some of the roughest roads using several bikes and never once have any of the lights come loose or popped. If the light beeam slides down, it means you have not snapped the mount on tight enough. Just give it another good hard squeeze.  I love the simplicitiy in the design.  </p>
<p>Glad to hear the new light is compatible with the old mount. Now I just wish I had an excuse to ge me a lumina 650. <img src='http://urbanvelo.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My only request for improvement is a better battery life indicator.  When I&#8217;m still 10 miles from home and the switch turns red, I switch to low power and prey.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks guys. I think I&#039;ll be upgrading my MiNewt 600 mount this autumn!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys. I think I&#8217;ll be upgrading my MiNewt 600 mount this autumn!</p>
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		<title>By: Urban Jeff</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/niterider-lumina-650-review/comment-page-1/#comment-110856</link>
		<dc:creator>Urban Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Graham, it will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Graham, it will.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://urbanvelo.org/niterider-lumina-650-review/comment-page-1/#comment-110684</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Graham, several sources that sell the Lumina mount say that it will work on the older MiNewt as well, but I didn’t see this on the NiteRider site and I have not personally tried this.  After riding several times with the new mount, I can confirm that it&#039;s much, much better than the old one, but it does stick out some at the bottom, as represented in the pictures above.  This is not a problem for me, but it&#039;s worth mentioning as the only downside I can find.

I also wanted to mention my personal experience after several rides with the new lights.  They work very well.  I was able to easily ride at 30+ mph downhill with a great view of every pothole and manhole cover.  It was almost as good as riding during daylight.  Just as important, the cars entering the road from side streets very obviously noticed me far in advance and stopped merging to let me pass.  Just this morning, using the flashing mode during daylight, a car gave me a short honk and then a thumbs up.  I feel much more visible, both day and night, and that&#039;s one of the best defenses in traffic. (note that I used two of these lights at night and only one during daylight).

It also looks like the beam pattern is more even than other lights I’ve tried.  Compared with my 180 lumen Cygolight, it doesn’t have as much of a hot, white center.  Not perfectly even, but significantly better.  But it is a circle.  There was no attempt to flatten or otherwise shape the beam.

I can&#039;t compare theses lights to others of similar lumen output, these are my first, but I can say with some confidence that getting good, bright lights is worth every penny.  I&#039;ve gone from $20 department store lights, to lights in the 200 lumen range, to these, and each time I felt a big jump in both visibility of the road, and my visibility to other traffic.  I think I got a lot of bang for the buck with the NiteRiders, but I&#039;d recommend to anyone who&#039;d listen that getting any light at 600 lumen or above would make a huge improvement in their cycling safety.  High lumen lights shouldn’t be considered a super light, but a standard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham, several sources that sell the Lumina mount say that it will work on the older MiNewt as well, but I didn’t see this on the NiteRider site and I have not personally tried this.  After riding several times with the new mount, I can confirm that it&#8217;s much, much better than the old one, but it does stick out some at the bottom, as represented in the pictures above.  This is not a problem for me, but it&#8217;s worth mentioning as the only downside I can find.</p>
<p>I also wanted to mention my personal experience after several rides with the new lights.  They work very well.  I was able to easily ride at 30+ mph downhill with a great view of every pothole and manhole cover.  It was almost as good as riding during daylight.  Just as important, the cars entering the road from side streets very obviously noticed me far in advance and stopped merging to let me pass.  Just this morning, using the flashing mode during daylight, a car gave me a short honk and then a thumbs up.  I feel much more visible, both day and night, and that&#8217;s one of the best defenses in traffic. (note that I used two of these lights at night and only one during daylight).</p>
<p>It also looks like the beam pattern is more even than other lights I’ve tried.  Compared with my 180 lumen Cygolight, it doesn’t have as much of a hot, white center.  Not perfectly even, but significantly better.  But it is a circle.  There was no attempt to flatten or otherwise shape the beam.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t compare theses lights to others of similar lumen output, these are my first, but I can say with some confidence that getting good, bright lights is worth every penny.  I&#8217;ve gone from $20 department store lights, to lights in the 200 lumen range, to these, and each time I felt a big jump in both visibility of the road, and my visibility to other traffic.  I think I got a lot of bang for the buck with the NiteRiders, but I&#8217;d recommend to anyone who&#8217;d listen that getting any light at 600 lumen or above would make a huge improvement in their cycling safety.  High lumen lights shouldn’t be considered a super light, but a standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will the older 600 model fit into the new style mount??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the older 600 model fit into the new style mount??</p>
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