Comments on: Indianapolis Forgives Tickets For Early Morning Bike Commuters http://urbanvelo.org/indianapolis-forgives-tickets-for-early-morning-bike-commuters/ Bicycles in the urban environment. A magazine about urban cycling. Thu, 24 May 2012 12:45:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joe Peralta http://urbanvelo.org/indianapolis-forgives-tickets-for-early-morning-bike-commuters/comment-page-1/#comment-12581 Joe Peralta Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:56:13 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12500#comment-12581 At a glance, it seems like 2 costs vary wildly from place to place - wages and land. The Phoenix area uses existing canal and power-line rights-of-way, plus parks, for a pretty extensive trail system. If you're interested, the trail article should be here: http://www.azcentral.com/community/surprise/articles/2009/11/24/20091124maricopatrail1124.html To check my figures, I googled road costs, and gat a handy little pdf sheet from Florida DOT on a variety of constructions and alterations. It's here: ftp://ftp.dot.state.fl.us/LTS/CO/Estimates/CPM/summary.pdf For the curious, I'll end this note with a few sample costs per mile from F-DOT. Two Directional 12' Shared Use Path $240,408.46 Rails to Trails project 12' width $199,638.66 New Construction Undivided 2 Lane Rural Road with 5' Paved Shoulders $2,486,073.68 New Construction Divided Urban 6 Lane Interstate with 22' Closed Median with Barrier Wall 10' $11,581,715.07 At a glance, it seems like 2 costs vary wildly from place to place – wages and land. The Phoenix area uses existing canal and power-line rights-of-way, plus parks, for a pretty extensive trail system.

If you’re interested, the trail article should be here:
http://www.azcentral.com/community/surprise/articles/2009/11/24/20091124maricopatrail1124.html

To check my figures, I googled road costs, and gat a handy little pdf sheet from Florida DOT on a variety of constructions and alterations. It’s here:
ftp://ftp.dot.state.fl.us/LTS/CO/Estimates/CPM/summary.pdf

For the curious, I’ll end this note with a few sample costs per mile from F-DOT.

Two Directional 12′ Shared Use Path $240,408.46

Rails to Trails project 12′ width $199,638.66

New Construction Undivided 2 Lane Rural Road with 5′ Paved Shoulders $2,486,073.68

New Construction Divided Urban 6 Lane Interstate with 22′ Closed Median with Barrier Wall 10′ $11,581,715.07

]]> By: John Howard http://urbanvelo.org/indianapolis-forgives-tickets-for-early-morning-bike-commuters/comment-page-1/#comment-12548 John Howard Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:43:32 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12500#comment-12548 $5M for 242 miles? If that's right, then Indy needs to learn the secret of their success. Here they are spending, what, $50M for just a few miles of Cultural Trail. $5M for 242 miles? If that’s right, then Indy needs to learn the secret of their success. Here they are spending, what, $50M for just a few miles of Cultural Trail.

]]> By: Joe Peralta http://urbanvelo.org/indianapolis-forgives-tickets-for-early-morning-bike-commuters/comment-page-1/#comment-12456 Joe Peralta Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:36:40 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12500#comment-12456 Travelling around east and west the past 5 years, I always choose trails over motor roads. Almost all parks are "closed" after dark. Such laws are standard, but they're designed to be used against vandals, muggers and rowdy keggers. Despite being an obvious bag-laden vagabond, I've never been hassled. Seems to me the Indy PD needs a lesson from higher up. As for charging cyclists to use the public ways? Your taxes already paid for it, and compared to motor roads, bikeways are incredibly inexpensive. Phoenix, Arizona, is building a 242-mile bikeway in and around their megasprawl. Cost - $5 million for 242 miles. If I remember right, that's about what it costs to build a half-mile of motorway. As more people get car-free, there'll be more demand for protected non-motorized routes. The danger of dicing with cars keeps a lot of people in cars for self-defense. But more people are becoming aware they can replace an $8,000-a-year car with a bicycle, and all they need are safe routes from home to shopping and transit hubs. They're gonna get 'em, too! Travelling around east and west the past 5 years, I always choose trails over motor roads. Almost all parks are “closed” after dark. Such laws are standard, but they’re designed to be used against vandals, muggers and rowdy keggers. Despite being an obvious bag-laden vagabond, I’ve never been hassled. Seems to me the Indy PD needs a lesson from higher up.

As for charging cyclists to use the public ways? Your taxes already paid for it, and compared to motor roads, bikeways are incredibly inexpensive. Phoenix, Arizona, is building a 242-mile bikeway in and around their megasprawl. Cost – $5 million for 242 miles. If I remember right, that’s about what it costs to build a half-mile of motorway.

As more people get car-free, there’ll be more demand for protected non-motorized routes. The danger of dicing with cars keeps a lot of people in cars for self-defense. But more people are becoming aware they can replace an $8,000-a-year car with a bicycle, and all they need are safe routes from home to shopping and transit hubs. They’re gonna get ‘em, too!

]]> By: Clocks need more numbers. « .the idiom. http://urbanvelo.org/indianapolis-forgives-tickets-for-early-morning-bike-commuters/comment-page-1/#comment-12441 Clocks need more numbers. « .the idiom. Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:39:57 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12500#comment-12441 [...] cycling magazine, Urban Velo, gave a nod to my recent article in NUVO. Gratitude [...] [...] cycling magazine, Urban Velo, gave a nod to my recent article in NUVO. Gratitude [...]

]]> By: Jack http://urbanvelo.org/indianapolis-forgives-tickets-for-early-morning-bike-commuters/comment-page-1/#comment-12436 Jack Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:55:17 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12500#comment-12436 I worry a little about this. I commute on some very nice greenways but one of them has many signs stating it closes at sunset. By this late in the year I am sometimes on it after that, but I really doubt I would get a ticket. There is no opens at sunrise sign and the other greenway I travel, in the same town, is newer and has no signs about opening or closing. The other thing that disturbs me about the sign is that there are no signs to help you find the greenway or let you know where to turn to get to particular roads. They seem to have spent all the sign budget on the closes at sunset signs. Every entry to the trail features one of those. I worry a little about this. I commute on some very nice greenways but one of them has many signs stating it closes at sunset. By this late in the year I am sometimes on it after that, but I really doubt I would get a ticket. There is no opens at sunrise sign and the other greenway I travel, in the same town, is newer and has no signs about opening or closing.

The other thing that disturbs me about the sign is that there are no signs to help you find the greenway or let you know where to turn to get to particular roads. They seem to have spent all the sign budget on the closes at sunset signs. Every entry to the trail features one of those.

]]> By: christopher http://urbanvelo.org/indianapolis-forgives-tickets-for-early-morning-bike-commuters/comment-page-1/#comment-12423 christopher Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:20:01 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12500#comment-12423 It was a kind surprise to see my article posted on here. Thanks for the nod, Brad. It was a kind surprise to see my article posted on here. Thanks for the nod, Brad.

]]> By: Ben http://urbanvelo.org/indianapolis-forgives-tickets-for-early-morning-bike-commuters/comment-page-1/#comment-12422 Ben Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:37:13 +0000 http://urbanvelo.org/?p=12500#comment-12422 You can read even more about this situation at http://www.theindycog.com :) You can read even more about this situation at http://www.theindycog.com
:)

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